What is the merit in the absurd art


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I am very interested in pediatric and adolescent medicine.
Unfortunately, I have had to hear several times that this area is the most ungrateful in medicine - at least in terms of working hours and earnings.

The title is maybe a bit too dramatic but I have e.g. I have already read the statement that it would be better not to "settle down as a pediatrician if you want to finance three of your own children to study".

Now of course I'm interested in what the medical community thinks about it here in the forum.

Is paediatrics paid less in the clinic?
Do you really have to work longer there because it's a popular subject?
Are the salaries of resident paediatricians really that different from those of their colleagues? Shouldn't you settle down as a pediatrician if you have three children of your own?

Is paediatrics paid less in the clinic?


No, God has invented collective agreements for this.



Do you really have to work longer there because it's a popular subject?


No, this depends on the organization of the respective clinic and is not to be seen as a blanket.


Shouldn't you settle down as a pediatrician if you have three children of your own?

What three children of my own have to do with the choice of a specialist is a bit of a mystery to me. I know a practicing pediatrician with 4 children. So that seems to work ...

Of course, a pediatrician earns less than someone who still has documented surgery somewhere, is a radiologist or a dentist - but hardly anyone gnaws at the hunger cloth: biscuit
So I don't know any doctor (no matter what specialty) who does not live in his own home, does not drive at least 2 cars, takes regular (high-class) vacations, and whose children do not study (at least could ...)
I know a single pediatrician who finances two children studying - including the cars for the children ...: -party

In this respect - as is so often the case: whining at a high level: opinion

Shouldn't you settle down as a pediatrician if you have three children of your own?
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In my experience, the joy of working with young patients is also evident in family planning. I know two residents in private practice, one has 3 and the other 6 children (3 of whom are studying).
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I know resident doctors who, according to their own statements, do not reach the level of a senior doctor's salary through their independent work and are dissatisfied because they have taken on some considerable financial risks, but this is not reflected in their income.

But that doesn't mean that you are at risk of poverty because of it.

Regarding question 3:
"Are the salaries of established paediatricians really that different from those of their colleagues? Shouldn't you settle down as a pediatrician if you have three children of your own"
-> That is partly true, but the situation is the same for general practitioners as family doctors.
If you settle down as a pediatrician or general practitioner in a structurally weak district, then you have few private patients but many (often large) families with Hartz IV or social welfare. In terms of income, this has a stronger impact than, for example, the orthopedic surgeon (even if he lives in the same district), to whom the statutory health insurance patients only come after a referral.
For example, I know a pediatrician who has moved his practice from Essen-Nord / Altenessen (a structurally weak district with many foreigners, welfare recipients and Hartz IV recipients) to Essen-Zentrum because of this problem.

Regarding question 3:
"Are the salaries of established paediatricians really that different from those of their colleagues? Shouldn't you settle down as a pediatrician if you have three children of your own"
-> That is partly true, but the situation is the same for general practitioners as family doctors.
If you settle down as a pediatrician or general practitioner in a structurally weak district, then you have few private patients but many (often large) families with Hartz IV or welfare [...]

The salary of a pediatrician therefore depends very much on the location of the establishment.
Do the paediatricians in the hospital earn the same as their colleagues from other departments?

Why do so many paediatricians actually settle in structurally weak areas in the first place? From misguided altruism?

Do the paediatricians in the hospital earn the same as their colleagues from other departments?


google collective agreements doctors ;-)
there is not split into subjects.
would be even nicer ^^

The salary of a pediatrician therefore depends very much on the location of the branch.

That applies to most subjects, I would argue.


Do the paediatricians in the hospital earn the same as their colleagues from other departments?

Yes, read the answers carefully.


Why do so many paediatricians actually settle in structurally weak areas in the first place? From misguided altruism?

There are admission restrictions at the branch, you cannot just settle where you want. The coveted locations are therefore often closed, or cash doctor's offices / practices that become vacant are very expensive there.

If everything were so easy economically in the branch, thousands of German specialists would certainly not have migrated abroad.

So let's be honest, first of all it is about that you have a subject area that interests you and ideally is fun, after all, you will have to deal with it almost every day for the next 40 years of your life.

As already mentioned, there is the same collective agreement for all disciplines in the hospital, so everyone has to work the same amount every week and get the same amount of money for it.

As far as the branch is concerned, it is actually the case that compared to other specialties you are at the lower end of the income list, although, to put it somewhat exaggerated, you certainly do not have to ask yourself the question at the end of the month whether you are really going to have dinner as a resident pediatrician can still afford a bottle of beer or should rather drink tap water.

If you don't act completely stupid in your practice, you should be able to pay for 3 children to study.

If you want to be able to give everyone a brand new Audi A3 with a large engine when they graduate, however, to get back to my first sentence, you might have to think about whether you might be less fun and less interested in work Have x-rays of your breasts and spine every day for years.

"As already mentioned, there is the same collective agreement for all disciplines in the hospital, so everyone has to work the same amount every week and get the same amount of money for it."
-> That's true in principle.
A) However, there are (minor) differences, e.g. between what an assistant doctor earns in the communal house or what he gets in the same position from a church organization. That can amount to 200 euros per month (up to 400 euros). You can check that in the relevant collective bargaining agreements (albeit not always very easily).
The following applies: In the same building, the young professional earns just as much in the interior as he does in paediatrics and surgery.

B) More difficult than with A) are allowances that are not immediately recognizable, such as participations / distributions from the pool of chief physicians (almost only in municipal houses; however, it is also less common there), additional earnings for expert reports (e.g. often in trauma surgery / orthopedics) as well as recognition and payment of overtime. Here, subtleties or pitfalls can often only be resolved after starting a job! detect

google collective agreements doctors ;-)
there is not split into subjects.
would be even nicer ^^

That would be long overdue. Paying psychosomatists and surgeons alike is absurd. No wonder that there are not enough capable offspring.

Paying psychosomatists and surgeons alike is absurd.
Do you think surgeons have to get heroes' allowance? :-))

Do you think surgeons have to get heroes' allowance? :-))

Maybe the psychosomatics should get the job? Madness Surcharge?

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